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“people were being brought in and appointed for specific reasons to be compliant with – those particular reasons would actually be unlawful.”

“it is difficult to see how you as an investigator would have said, yes, this information speaks to a potential crime being committed that warrants me to investigate further.”

“I would expect that you, as an experienced investigator that you are, you would have looked at this affidavit and said, but this is an HR matter”

“I have tried to consider it with my colleague, Mr ...[indistinct] but we could not come up with a mechanism”

“when we come back to you with a timetable, we will do that. We will include a proposal in that regard”

“I am just flagging now that come Friday it is not just the postponement that might need to be determined”

“once you have agreed, Mr Premhid is excused and Mr Chaskalson can just bring that to our attention, say after lunch and a ruling then gets made”

“the question of when exactly tomorrow the application should be filed, when the answering affidavit should be filed and the exact time at which the application should be heard on Friday, may I ask the counsel to please discuss that?”

“let us leave you and Mr Premhid to discuss that detail and even the time when the application should be heard”

“what we would like to know is what has been his involvement, if any, in the affairs of his businesses”

“if you can give instructions to anybody to book flights for you, then you can give instructions to those who are running the business to provide the detail the Commission is looking for”

“I think Mr Chaskalson's extension of the travel arrangements covers Commissioner Khumalo's supplementation of the original list, so to speak.”

“it seems that he has travelled to Cape Town, because one of the medical reports speaks to hospitalisation in Cape Town”

“How he travelled to Cape Town in the last week, or beforehand, if indeed he has travelled to Cape Town.”

“what we were asking for was the dates on which Mr Carrim has been admitted to hospital over the last four months”

“Then please strike what I have just said from the record, if I was incorrect in my understanding of what my learned friend said”

“I understood Mr Chaskalson to simply be making the point that you are not correct to say this medical certificate has not, no doubt has been cast on it”

“there is no inconsistency between what I have said to you today and what I have said to you previously”

“I must respond to that was raised by my learned friend? It is this point about my client cannot have it both ways, about the independent examination on one hand and then subpoena the doctor”

“the debates in relation to Mr Carrim's evidence and appearance and non-appearance have thus far taken up days of Commissioned hearing time”

“if he can keep his businesses ticking over remotely from his sickbed, he can also issue an instruction that the information that exists external to him can be made available to us”

“there has consistently been the issue raised about our ability to take instructions directly from Mr Carrim”

“he is afforded an opportunity to respond and say, I cannot, I simply cannot, and to do that, and to move the application on Friday”

“if that be so, how can it be that he is not able, either himself to furnish that information, or to do so through others”

“Mr Chaskalson is suggesting to the Commission that Mr Carrim must be afforded an opportunity to file an application slash affidavit”

“if my complaint is at this point only boiling down to housekeeping about the form of communicating the information”

“there should never be a dispute between my learned friend and I as to what he said to me or what he did not say to me”

“he could have perhaps, we could have reached some or other arrangement about being informed about this formally and then given an opportunity to respond”

“I understand that my learned friend is under his collegial obligation to give me notice that he was going to raise it today at the hearing”

“In writing and particularised, so that it is formally placed in front of us rather than as what happened between my learned friend and I, which was a conversation between colleagues regarding these issues that are now being raised”

“my learned friend has very kindly given me the licence vehicle registration of the vehicles that were apparently transporting my client or not transporting my client yesterday”

“my learned friend and I throughout the morning have been talking intensely about what he can give me and what he cannot give me and whether he is going to give me the CCTV footage he has already got in his possession or he does not”

“it is unfortunate we are learning about these in an open proceeding of this kind and that these demands about what this formal postponement application needs to entail in an open session of this”

“we would respectfully submit... that those allegations raise a question about Mr Carrim's position in front of you”

“I was handed one about ten minutes ago by a Commission representative, but it is called Carrim Suleiman Correspondence and Sundry Documents Witness Bundle”

“making sure that there is sufficient time for everybody to prepare for Mr Matlala's appearance before you”

“if the statement is not filed, we shall be back before you, Chair, and I suggest that the consequences will follow”

“if they do not get the required information from IDAC, or IDAC just outright refuses, then they would be entitled in law to approach a court to compel IDAC to provide such information if they have a basis in law to do so”

“It is dependent on whether or not they get the requested information from either IDAC to enable them to answer the questions posed”

“what the legal position is regarding Mr Matlala's constitutional rights, as posited by my learned friend, is irrelevant for our purposes”

“The only way to cure any potential prejudice to Mr Matlala was to agree and place on record that he reserves the right to supplement”

“They do not come here and say, since the undertaking was made, new facts have come to light that make it impossible for us to comply”

“Mr Matlala's legal representatives were informed by certain facts to conclude that they are in a position to make certain undertakings on his behalf”

“you are not saying that until you have received the IDAC material, Mr Matlala can never submit a statement, and he can never testify”

“until you receive the material from IDAC ... this Commission will never receive a statement from Mr Matlala, and he will never testify”

“I want him at the end of the day to do so free of anybody coming and saying you are committing perjury”

“I do not know of a single attorney or an advocate in this country that will allow their client to depose to an affidavit if they are not satisfied that what is in that affidavit is correct”

“there is a specific question that says, has any person tried to influence you, intimidate you, et cetera”

“what you should be saying to us is Mr Matlala refuses to submit a statement to the Commission because of A, B, C, D”

“which I say and I say it firmly, is completely irrelevant for purposes of your postponement and for our purposes”